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  • MugaSofer
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    Proposal adopted.
    10:54, October 18, 2016

    RainDance299 has suggested some formal rules for what to name character pages, rather than the current "whatever is most well-known" guideline.

    1: The title of an article about a cape should be the first cape-name used after their appearance:

    • Imp, not Aisha.
    • Regent, not Hijack.
    • Flechette, not Foil.

    2: If a name features the word 'The' it should not be included in the article title:

    • Siberian, not The Siberian.

    3: The title of an article about a non-cape, or a cape without a cape-name should be the combination of their first and last name (if known):

    • Alan Barnes, not Alan.
    • Annette Hebert, not Annette Rose Hebert.
    • Nicholas Vasil.
    • Charlotte.

    4. The title of an article about an unnamed character should be the name from the character tags:

    • Ignis Fatuus.

    5. Characters part of series should have their number in the series added to title in roman numerals:

    • Butcher XIV.
    • Unicorn III.

    6. Characters with identical names should have a marker within parentheses to distinguish them. Please use the first difference available: [civilian name; organization; general location].

    • March (Gold Coin), March (New York).
    • Leister (Protectorate), Leister (Wards).

    This thread is for suggested changes and reasons we should/should not adopt this policy.

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    • I'm inclined to adopt this. Clear guidelines help prevent arguing and uncertainty. These do a good job of capturing the unofficial tendencies that already govern page creation.


      However, there's an obvious problem: some "characters" cover multiple pages. This policy would imply that pages like Noelle's would be merged into their cape identity pages. It makes sense, but it does mean those pages would have to be marked as containing spoilers.

      One page that's already like this is Shadow Stalker. Her true identity is a major spoiler. That's kind of a crummy page, though, so maybe it should be re-worked.

      Taylor Hebert also kind of does that, but would be renamed "Skitter" under this policy - is that ideal?

      One possibility would be to rule that separate identities get their own page if they're a major spoiler, or if there's enough material for a separate page. Do we want to separate pages like Taylor Hebert and Defiant, maybe even Flechette/Foil? (Hijack, now, I could see him having a separate page with little difficulty.) The tab system, which we didn't have when most of these pages were created, might help with this.

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      Other points:

      • Should we be including "The" in character names? Siberian, for example. It's inconsistent in the text, but we do do it for some teams - and it's not like we title Danny Hebert's page "dad" just because he's called that sometimes.
      • Guidelines for characters without names.

      I'd suggest something like:

      The title of an article about an unnamed character should use the following

      • The name given in the character tags, if any.
      • A bullet point that justifies Abaddon, somehow? I mean, never called that in the text, clearly not an in-universe term, but even Wildbow uses it.
      • If nothing else is possible, a descriptive title (e.g. "Unnamed Sniper") may be used, ideally one from the text (for example, "the woman in the suit" was used for Contessa before her codename was revealed.)
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    • Not sure when I'll be able to devote this the attention it deserves so I'm playing the card "period of reflection" before I fully way in.

      But do not combine pages just because of Sophia. It is easy to seperate out her page. Just like others.

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    • OK, if nobody really cares about this either way I'm going to implement some version of it in a week or so.

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    • I should point out that the examples at rule six aren't exactly good ones. March (Gold Coin) is generally called Minakhm, and Leister the Protectorate member I can't find in any text except a spreadsheet :/

      About rule 2: I'm in favor of add 'The' to names (I wrote it differently here because I wanted to fit it with current policy). The Siberian and the Simurgh are called that way because it dehumanizes them: It actually says a lot about the character.

      I like your expansion on the nameless characters.

      About multiple pages per character: How far do you want to go with protecting people from spoilers? Because right now pages are also being removed from navigation templates, and I didn't even realize there were multiple pages until I stumbled onto Echidna by accident.

      A wiki should have clear, accessible data. It's why wikis are made. It's possible to have this and still protect against spoilers, but not how it's done now.

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    • Repost to Reddit if people are not replying. I am still working on my response but believe it or not the wiki is not the only priority in my life.

      The removal from navigation templates issue is largely fixed as far as I can recall. Unless there are specific examples.

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    • On the Abaddon point: other wikis have article based upon conjecture and say so the same can be applied here. When we finally get around to working on the O'Daly page we can include a similar piece basing it on conjecture.

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    • Keep Taylor as is given her protagonist status, separate policy for characters who have major spoilers as part of their identity. Knowing who Noelle or the Siberian is before major reveals would impact someone reading of Worm.

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    • TBH, on reflection I don't really care if we name her Skitter or not.

      1: The title of an article about a cape should be the first cape-name used after their appearance:

      2: If a name features the word 'The' it should be included in the article title:

      3: The title of an article about a non-cape, or a cape without a cape-name should be the combination of their first and last name (if known):

      4. The title of an article about a character not named in the story should be their name according to some other canonical source, if any. If there is no canon name available, a speculative name may be used, ideally based on references to them in the text.

      5. Characters part of series should have their number in the series added to title in roman numerals:

      6. Characters with identical names should have a marker within parentheses to distinguish them. Please use the first difference available: [civilian name; organization; general location].

      7. Characters who are arguably the same person, such as the Siberian and her creator, or the different Butchers should only be given a separate page if there is sufficient material for it. Characters who are inarguably the same person, such as Flechette and Foil or Armsmaster and Defiant, should never be given separate pages.

      The page Taylor Hebert is an exception to these rules, as she is the protagonist.

      Does this seem acceptable to everyone?

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    • I'm happy with this besides rule 7, but I think that's a different discussion. It's acceptable.

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    • It is an quintessential compromise. Acceptable.

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